Yamataro!

posted on Jun 08, 2011, 08 pm

My Comments:

psudonym, Jun 08, 2011, 07 pm

I still got some great Guest Comic Action comin' your way! (just a headsup, my e-mail is always open over at questionduck at hotmail dot com) I always appreciate them! And now even more than ever as I find myself busier and busier with art and comics. Visit http://psuedofolio.tumblr.com if you'd like to see more of everything from odd bits of fan art to glimpses of what I'll be working on in the future.

Tonight's thanks go out to fellow Smackjeever Yamataro whose thinly veiled defense for Sprite Comics rings loud and clear! Thank you very much man, I can see that Question Duck sprite coming mighty handy in the future :) You can find his Smack jeeves profile over here, dude does a lot of work! http://www.smackjeeves.com/profile.php?id=25570

Now, I know as well as anybody that sprite comics can get a bad rap but I've certainly had my fair share of favorite sprite strips. The legendary Bob and George springs to mind. But as always with Question Duck, I'm not out here to tell you guys the answers. You guys always seem to have a good handle on answering them yourselves in the comments section. But if I see any comment that is just mean for meanness sake, I'm wiping it out. Just a heads up and keep it classy, ya'll!

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Your Comments:

The_Hankerchief, Jun 08, 2011, 08 pm

I guess it just depends what it's about. There's many knockoff comics that get old in a hurry, but there's also a few good ones out there.

Crystalbear, Jun 08, 2011, 08 pm

Not all sprite comic'ers are thirteen year old brats.

Heck, I've seen some mature people made bad sprite comics before. That said, it seems to lay more on quality and what's been overdone than anything else.

But I enjoy some sprite comics, they're not all that bad.

SolaratheHedgehog, Jun 08, 2011, 08 pm

^ -Makes sprite comics- D:

BM03 (Guest), Jun 08, 2011, 09 pm

Robot Master: Sanic the Red Hedgehag

Honestly I think it's because there seems to be an surprising tendency for a majority of them to be palette swaps (or with very, very minor modifications) of Megaman or Sonic sprites. Or elsewhere, as long as the work is seriously minimal.

TL;DR: Most are made out of LAZY.

Of course, there's exceptions, I wouldn't dare judge the 100% of any population, but this is for the most part why they seem to be looked down on, others seem to claim it requires far too little effort, much less talent.

Opinions, opinions, opinions.

Aurelian, Jun 08, 2011, 09 pm

Because some people do sprite comics because they think it's easier, when really to do any form of comic well takes alot of work.

Also, there are alot of them and anything that is common will quickly become unpopular because they are popular.

Gunwild (Guest), Jun 08, 2011, 10 pm

I didn't know they were... I guess I'm not cool enough to look down on the things it's hip to look down on.

Crystalbear, Jun 08, 2011, 11 pm

Ahahahaha, Gunwild has a point there.

Seriously, sprite comics gets enough bad rep. I'm sick of seeing that kind of criticism. Honestly, GOOD sprite comics do exist out there.

Kellysterhabit, Jun 09, 2011, 12 am

(Not speaking for anyone else but me)

It's preference in the art. Looking at sprites just isn't appealing to my eyes, even though there have been some exceptions :)
Though I wouldn't say I look down on them.

SarahGWood, Jun 09, 2011, 01 am

Because sprites are ugly, glaring to the eyes, and most sprite users use the same pieces over and over again in different landscapes, boring the audience. Usually there's nothing original about. How many Sonic comics have you seen with the same sprites?

mo (Guest), Jun 09, 2011, 04 am

because COMIC SAAAAAANS!

Crystalbear, Jun 09, 2011, 03 pm

So much for some positives.

I'm disappointed in ya'll.

Zmanwarrior, Jun 10, 2011, 12 am

Ugly? That wounds me man.

In my defense, and the defense of other spriters, how many drawn comics out there are done solely with stick figures or art which is otherwise considered bad or unappealing?

The difference between bad art and bad sprites is that people are much quicker beating the former into the ground before the artist has the chance to grow an ego.

As for originality I'd again like to point out how many conventional webcomics are also fancomics. There's no difference between depicting Sonic on a public webcomic as a drawing or a sprite. It's still unoriginal material no matter how you look at it. The difference is sprites are more readily available and easier to work with.

Inversely you can't generalize sprites by saying they're entirely unoriginal just like you can't do so with normal webcomics. I can name three right off of the bat which contain entirely original casts and settings, not affiliated with any sort of game, book, or television show at all.

Bar'd

Targets of Misfortune

and {MUTE}

Pat-Man12, Jun 11, 2011, 02 am

What Zman said. ^^

@mo
That's just the stereotype.

But yeah, someone has to be blind to not see that font is ugly.

CityBreak, Jun 11, 2011, 05 pm

there are loads of bad sprite comics out there. I'm not going to name them because there are far too many. but their are good one. for example M&L Misadventures spring to mind. you could see that the author actually took some time into making the comics. unlike some drawn comics that are just a quick 5 minute job. I'm not a big fan of sprite comics and I very rarely fav them. But when I first started getting interested in comics. I made a sprite comic (I was 9) and it really helped me start up and it inspired me to start drawing and create something I could be proud of. so let people sprite it could lead them onto bigger and better things.

also the authors most of the time will do a cheap recolor followed by a stupid name. I would love to see a sprite comic that use's all original sprites. that includes.
1. characters sprites made from scratch
2. backgrounds made from scratch
3. an original story
4. effort actually put into it

Free Glass (Guest), Jun 13, 2011, 05 pm

Not Kid Radd. Not Kid Radd at all.

Karadom, Jun 15, 2011, 11 am

If sprites are bad because there are some bad sprite comics that use Sonic way too much, then isn't all manga bad because there is some yaoi manga? I'm just using the same logic everyone else is using.

Guest, Jun 15, 2011, 02 pm

They're just lazy because no aspect of them are original. They were all ripped and/or tweaked and modded from somewhere, and these authors have the audacity to call them their own.

EDIT: I'm going to assume everyone's silence obviously means I'm right and that there's no point in arguing anymore.

Guest, Jun 18, 2011, 12 am

No, we're just all sick of arguing. The wall between artists and spriters will never be broken because we are all too stubborn.

Ron (Guest), Jun 18, 2011, 10 am

There is no similarity between actual artists and the spriters on this site, at all.

And Zman up there makes some pretty ludicrous points. Some drawn comics are worse off than sprite comics yes, but the drawn content is still way more original.

The sprites are more readily available and easier to work with? Oh I get it, you're lazy. You don't want to waste your time drawing something, so you think copy and pasting copyrighted sprites will make up for it? That is just sad.

{Mute} may have a more original storyline, but the actual sprites are still built around sonic character bases. Calling them original is just a joke.

Sprite comics ARE ugly, the sprites don't belong anywhere except back in the video games that they originated in.

MFreak, Jun 23, 2011, 07 pm

my answer

I used to be a sprite artist back in the day, and by that I mean I would open up a completely blank MS Paint file and create sprites from scratch. That being said I stopped because I found that no matter how nice you put a sprite together it will always come out looking cheap.

The reason for this? Because for the most part they are cheap. Most people look at them an assume that if a person's only means of making a comic is copy/pasting sprites, they probably aren't creative enough to write anything worth reading.

95% of the time this is completely true.

Sildraug, Jun 29, 2011, 02 pm

-Sigh-

Alright, some counterexamples to 'all sprite comics are bad' that, from the tone, I would guess many of you will ignore (but I like spreading good media, so here goes):
- Kid Radd (http://www.bgreco.net/kidradd.htm), which hit all of CityBreak's list, and focuses heavily on the implications of a game character gaining self-awareness. Also, like 50% of the archive is animated--the original purpose for spriting.
- A Path to Greater Good (http://www.neorice.com/main), again all original sprites, and the artist regularly experiments with different styles and formats to see what works best. You can see his tinkering in the archives, and the writing is quite exceptional.

I do some spriting myself, but I do it to actually put art assets in game projects. I don't claim to be an artist--I'm a programmer--but unfailingly, every single school project I've worked on, the artists have failed to provide the assets we needed (at all, in most cases, and in anything resembling a timely manner in others). Now, I'm not saying that logically follows to a condemnation of webcomic artists--it would take some crazy moon logic to draw that conclusion--but in defense of sprites, if I had had to take the time to draw out all of the walk cycles, all of the jump cycles, all of the damage cycles, and all of the other particular animations I've had to do without holding myself to the time-saving rules of spriting, I would have been incapable of providing the assets for our game projects.

Sprite comics do have a lower barrier to entry than fully illustrated webcomics, yes. Sprites are intended to be used again and again in their original media--which makes using them again and again in webcomic media understandable, if not necessarily as artistically good as redoing them every frame.

Since sprite comics have a lower barrier to entry, lower quality sprite comics will be more common than lower quality regular comics.

It does not logically follow that this makes the form itself inferior. It's simply easier. It would be like saying drawing and digital inking is inferior to actual inking just because the process is more forgiving.

MasterComic, Jul 26, 2011, 08 pm

Being a spriter myself, I must say that on SmackJeeves, I +Fav whatever is entertaining to me. If a sprite comic is entertaining, then read it. No one's going to stop you.

Player Z, Sep 09, 2012, 05 pm

Mainly because people just use or re-colour existing sprites and popular characters :/ I think a sprite comic with original sprites would be great, such as this one.

Scotty (Guest), Sep 24, 2012, 04 am

Necropost. On the off chance this is useful and makes a goddamn point, If the main argument is that sprite comics are bad because lots of sprite comics are bad, then fanfiction is terrible, fanart should be a punishable sin, and fangames should be banned from the internet. for every single good thing, there are 9999 bad ones.

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